The different projects

2/28/13

Dorspen One BC

Intro
This is a thinly veiled homage to the Spendor BC1. Main features of the BC1 is a thin-walled  cabinet with internal damping pads. Thin like 10 and 12 mm plywood and then 12mm bitumen loaded soft fibre board as damping pads.The idea behind the thin-walled design is that thin walls and damping brings down resonances from the critical midrange to the less critical bass range. A Bextrene driver with some midrange magic is added. That is has a super tweeter and is bass reflex loaded is secondary features. That the both front is removable and the lip around the front is tertiary featurers.

The spendor BC1 has no damping in the front baffle, I plan to have some bitumen board there as well



Material and Methods
The cabinet is quite close to the original 300x630x300 by just increasing the depth some. 11mm OSB was used instead of 12 and 10 mm Plywood, internal damping is by bitumen impregnated softboard as per the original. All inner surfaces is lined with 10mm felt. This might seem to be odd in a closed box but the thing is that experiments published by Hobby HiFi has shown that gluing felt on top of other damping material is a synergistic icing on the cake! As in the original the front is removable and the bassdriver is rear mounted. In my case to hide the very ugly frame.
The KEF B200 I have has a ugly metal chassi, showing when front mounted and rear-mounted there is a lip about 3 mm running along the the perimeter making a proper seal tricky and also minimizing the contact area with the cabinet.

Bassdriver is a a KEF B200 SP1014 as the Spendor driver it has a to high Q to fit in any reasonable bass reflex box. A closed box is viable but a bit boring. One option us to use Dynaudio Variovents to lower the Q as I have a couple of those left over. Then I read in the excellent magazine Hobby HiFi about using a large serial cap to lower the Q and F3 of the system.
 

Calculation Corner
First one has to calculate how much the Q is affected by the resistance of the coils in the crossover
Qes*=Qes x(Re + Rv )/Re
Then you can calculate the new total Q
Qts*= 1 /( 1/Qms + 1/Qes* +1/Qb) with the box Qb being in the order of 10-20.

With that in the bag it is time to calculate the needed box volume. The Q to aim for is 1.0 for common drivers, 1.1 for drivers with very low inductance and 0.9 for high inductance drivers

So the box volume is
Vb= Vas / (Qtb/Qts*)2 -1

Then it time to calculate the size of the capacitor. There is a constant K that is dependent of the inductance of the driver. A normal driver use K= 265 000 with low inductance the value is 316 000 and really high inductance drivers 100 000

C= K x Qts*/ (Re x Fs)

F3 =  0.7 x Fs/Qts*
For a more theoretical work there is JAES Volume 58 Issue 7/8 pp. 577-582; July 2010  by no other than the late great Neville Thiele (like Thiele Small parameters)


With a high Q resonance there is too much output at the hump above the resonance frequency and too little below the resonance. The theory is by adding a cap of the right size the cap will interact with the resonance peak and increas the impedance above resonance ( reduce the hump) and decrease impedance just below resonance and thus increase output over a limited range. At even lower frequencies the cap will increase the cut off slope by 6 dB and add protection to the bass driver.

In the case of my KEF drivers I end up with a 67 L enclosure and a cap of 800µF (The final value will vary with resistance of any coils in the crossover in series with the driver) for a Q of 1.0 an a Fc of 49 Hz., I cheat a bit and use a smaller box  of 350x700x350 mm that has an internal volume of about 58 L and hope that the stuffing will make up for the lacking volume.  A way out would be to discard the cap and use variovents instead.
In a lightly stuffed box I got a Fs of 47 Hz and Q of 0.95 not bad at all, this is with no crossover so with that the Q will become higher, in the final version but I wanted to try out the concept.

I have a collection of 100µF caps made in West-germany, 22 of them so time to test some combinations.




Results (so far)
Here I test from 0 to 2200 µF mostly in steps of 400µF
And more in detail with regard to increase and decrease in impedance around the resonance
It looks to be in good agreement with theories and now I have to make accoustic measurements as well. For the final results I will have to rerun everything with the crossover in place, but I wanted to get a feel for how useful the technique of capacitor coupled closed box loudspeaker is.


 
 

 

 

 


2/15/13


The removable side wall was handy for changing damping material. However. there is a price to pay, even with me on top of the speaker the foam is enough to decouple the sidewall from the rest of the box, mechanically. This means most of the box walls and baffles have one long free edge that vibrate and change both output and impedance curves. My finding with the removable side wall was the I was better of with no damping in the pipe and only damping in speaker chamber and IHR.

Now for some corner and room measurements.

To take room effects I have done like this:

1.Microphone 2 m from corner and at driver hight for the horn

2.Measure AudioPro 2.14Live speaker put in the corner of the room. It is a conventional good bass reflex 6.5" & 1"dome, large aberations are due to room not speaker

3.Put horn opening 150 cm from corner, the driver at the front is then quite close to the microphone.

4. Stepwise back the horn into the corner 80-40-20cm

Note that while one wall is a proper concrete wall the other that also is a concrete wall has a gyprock wall 10 cm in front of it
The first graph should be here but for some reason it ended up at the very top 3 times in a row.

Or with just the core curves


Top orange is near field (150cm out) dip at 90 and 40 Hz visiable.
Green is the Audiopro and black the Tangband King compact horn.
It looks good apart from the depression 120-200 Hz, if this is due to my deviations from Kings design or not is for others to elucidate.

How it sounds

In my living rom, side wall is a proper concrete wall, back wall is a flimsy thing, a similar wall with the Klipsch Corner Horn killed 6-8 dB below 80 Hz as I recall.
NAD 20 years of music (NAD and Sheffield Lab)
Not bad at all you clearly hear the kick drum and it suggest some weight, but the "slam" is missing. Higher up the the TB is really good, that peak at 7 kHz does not sound to bad unless you sit straigt on axis. Way better than the Philips 9710.

The Committments original soundtrack
Mustang Sally got me up and dancing
"Chain of fools" I can feel the bass both in the floor vibrations and in the backrest of the couch, that is darn impressive for a 4" driver. The previous horn I tried had 12" drivers that is 500cm2 instead of 50 cm2

So to conclude (my iteration of the design). It has surprising amount of bass that is dry and well defined not lumpy one note as I feared. The TB have quite a length of cone travel ( I can't stand the rain is really good, grin) with the Fostex that has far less and so the bass output and slam has to bee seen in it's context. In a 25m2 room (300 sqf) I can play quite loud and then the TB run out of steam without sounding harsh or strident.

Proper corners are important, I wish I had some!

I got some feedback that corner loading should affect impedance and mouth mesurements and to prove me right I measured impedance both in corner and free space and frequency response in horn mouth, this time in a true concrete corner. Really cramped with a large IKEA computer desk close by, but solid walls.

This is what I got


Identical curves below 70 Hz and above 130 Hz but between that more swings up and down in the 70-130 Hz range.

I then did the frequency response, and the corner mesurement is actually a bit different and better



So I wrong, thanks.

Now for the horn in proper concrete corner


Now it looks even better, the output in the 40-30 Hz range is better than other loudspeaker. The are not completly matched, with the bass reflex and horn opening close to the corner the AudioPro Woofer is 40 cm from the corner and about 25 off the floor. The Tangband is a full meter from the corner and 75 cm or so off the floor, so they may add upp differently.

A brief listen confirm previous findings, deep bass is there but the slam is not there but I guess that you simply need more cone area to get that effect.

I do recomend anyone with small fullrange drivers to give this design a try, thank you so much Mr King for this little gem! Time to get some IPA. (Fuller Indian Pale Ale this time)

1/25/13

Martin J Kings Compact Back Loaded Horn

Martin J King has written exensively on quarter wave pipes, developed models and extended the knowledge about this family of loudspeakers. When he published an article about a compact horn and I was thinking about getting new computer speakers I was intrigued. Less than a meter high and 40 cm deep and about 22 cm wide they really are compact for this kind of loudspeaker
Any expectations should be framed in the context of a 4"-5" driver in a box that is not to be compared to the bigger Klinger horn to the right with a 12" driver. I built mine in 11 mm OSB as a prototype so it not a thing of beuty.

Kings model use a lot of damping material in various places
25 gram in the speaker chamber 23 gram in the internal Helmholz resonator 2.6 gram in the first section of the pipe and 15 and 25g in P2 and P3 respectively.  The aim is to get a substantial gain in bass output below 100 Hz and taming unwanted peaks above that. More to follow


12/21/12

Klinger Horn part 3.

 The Eminence driver ME150-08 Thiele Small parameters


In red the Eminence driver and the Philpips in brown and Gamma in black.
I have changed the curve layout and added will use the Eminence as a reference as it very close to the current Gamma 12A Surprisingly the Philips and the Eminence is close to identical, with the Gamma weaker in the bass.
 

 Then it was time for the Fane Cresendo 80W


Very similar Fane Cresendo 80W and the Eminence in the klinger horn

Then it was the classic vintage horn driver Isophon 30/37A
The driver has a large plastic cup covering the magnet, the purpose of this I do not know.
Also in this case very similar to the Eminence.

The finaly the Beyma G320, For some reason way out of spec with Fr in the 70-80 Hz  range. With twise the weight of any of the other drivers they are monsters.
Here the 60 Hz peak is reduced  4dB, the 70 Hz peak by 2 dB the 95 Hz peak has shifted down to 85 Hz. If one could cut 3 dB or so of the 85 Hz peak the horn would be 35-130 Hz +/- 3dB. If damping material, corner reflectors or internal Helmholz resonator would do the trick is a matter of some experimental work to find out.








Next up is vintage  Philips bass driver

If I measure the drivers myself using Woofer Tester 3 I get very similar (and good) results.
When measured mounted in the horn:
Omnimic Near field and in horn mouth


Quite similar result to the other closed box driver the Gamma LA1231, In the Philips data sheet there is peak at 1.5 kHz and then a rollof above 2 kHz, in my nearfield measurement I do not pick up that peak but the roll off is more or less as specified..

The horn output in the 35-45 Hz range is 5 dB down compared to the two peaks at 60 and 90 Hz. That is a 5 dB improvement as compared to the Gamma driver, not bad.

Now I am out of closed box drivers and I will try out some PA drivers. First out will be an Eminence ME12-1508 driver, according to Eminence the driver is a version ordered by their european distributor and it is the same as the  Delta 12A of their standard set of drivers. Thiel Small paramterers are the same except for inductance that is higher but that is a tricky parameter to define as voice coils do not behave as text book coils.

12/20/12

New horn project. A classic about 50 years old. A backloaded horn for 12" drivers. It is acually built in soft board and then has a shell of chipboad around it.


 I had some initial trouble as the horn is made for rearmounting the drivers and the lid is to small to fit many of my drivers. So I made a external baffle that could take drivers either way. The baffle was screwed and sealed to the front.



The first driver that I tested in this horn using Omnimic and Woofer Tester 3 was the Bulgarian Gamma LA1232, that worked surprisingly well in the Kuben horn. Low Fr of about 30 Hz huge Vas of 300 liter and moderate Q of 0.4 hardly a classical horn driver



This is how the near field response is mid center about 5 cm in front of the dust cap



Mouth opening in the middle (all measurements on the same spot.



Falls  rapidly below 50 Hz and has some  4 dB peaks at 55 and 90 Hz. The sound is surprisingly good with those soft board panels I expeced no bass and all buzzing vibrations but it does not sound that way. The Klinger is about 300 l and the Kuben about 200 l so I had higher expectations than that on the Klinger, perhaps an other driver...

11/21/12

I have been thinking about building lighter horns of La Scala size, and one critical feature would be having the walls of the bass chamber in bent hardboard only 6mm thick. To accomplish this I have to fasten the board to bent wood. I tried this with some scrap material. Every other cm I allmost cut through the wood using a japanese pull saw,

I discovered that the wood splinters very easy so everything has to be predrilled, I also have to test how wide the wood strip has to be to fit screws and perhaps a sealing strip. Time to scramble up some prototype...